Anon asked Staff ago After all the doubts and vacillations, I found a wonderful proof for the knowledge of the Sages in the natural sciences.
The Gemara in Bechorot 8a states: “All [animals] have intercourse face to back, aside from three who have intercourse face to face, and they are the fish, man, and the snake. These three have intercourse so for the Shechinah spoke to them. It is taught that the camel has intercourse backside to backside.”
To the fleshly eyes it does not seem so, but Chazal, with the Holy Spirit, knew the truth. The lack is in we who are sunk in the material, in lechery, in the unending pursuit of the matters of this world.
Let us see what the expert has to say about this. Or will this response, too, which opposes his world view, be censored?
Truth and peace love one another.
Words of the Revealer of the Deep
jsadmin Staff answered 22 years ago
Hello,
Thus do the faithful follow their perverse path. At first they make something up and afterwards use it as proof for the knowledge of the Sages on nature, channeled from the Holy Spirit. If you tell them “The camel cannot have intercourse backside to backside” he will answer you in his innocent faith “Chazal are the ones who determine reality, and not your fleshly eyes.”
It reminds me of what a young kollel student told me when I spoke to him over the phone. He brought me proof of the existence of a god who even supervises the animals: when the doe, it is said in the Talmud, kneels to give birth, the fawn is in danger because the doe’s womb is narrow. The holy One, blessed be He, who nourishes all, from the horns of rams to the eggs of lice, spends her a snake to strike venom into her womb and expand it. The fawn comes out to the light of the world safely.
Thus, too, the mountain goat. When it is time for her to give birth, she stands at the top of a cliff and releases the newborn into the abyss. It falls until the holy One, blessed be He, sends an eagle to catch it.
I told him that this is not reality. He responded that he heard this from Rav Shach (who at the time was alive) in his attempt to prove G-d’s existence, and this served as a sign that this is real and actual. See the essay The Conversation of The Sages is Naught but Lewdness….
Incidentally, the Shechinah spoke with man, the snake, and the fish. Man and the snake were spoken to at the incident of Adam eating from the Tree of Knowledge. Of the fish it is said, “And G-d spoke to the fish” (Jonah 2:11).
N.B. Daat Emet does not censor. There is much work and not enough time to post all the questions and responses. We filter based on our view of the importance of the topic. We apologize.
Sincerely,
Daat Emet
jsadmin Staff answered 22 years ago
Hello,
We have already written an answer to the nonsense of parables given by those who “prove” the faith in our response to Do you believe in G-d?. To make things easier for you, we will quote a section thereof: “A painting or paragraph we know in advance was drawn or written by a person. It is not the pretty picture or the complexity of the paragraph which proves it was drawn or written by a man, it is the knowledge that men draw and write which lead us to the understanding that a man made this. If man did not know how to write and I saw exceptionally well organized writings, I would wonder ‘who did this?'”
Sincerely,
Daat Emet
jsadmin Staff answered 22 years ago
Dear Sharon,
The parable of Einstein’s books is correct, but the comparison drawn (the Torah) is not.
The Written and the Oral Torahs have nothing of philosophy, wisdom, or science in them. They are books which demand and require laws which suit the darkness of the Middle Ages.
Instead of writing long parables as religious people do, bring us even one example of Torah wisdom which would cause a reasonable person to be astonished.
The Daat Emet writers learned in the yeshiva world for many years, and the more they read and learned, the more they saw the wretchedness and poverty of the Torah, contrasted to the books of wisdom written in academic institutions.
N.B. There is no doubt that religious people managed to pull all independent thought out of you and caused you to think that you don’t understand anything and are stupid. Only in this way can they market their nonsense.
Sincerely,
Daat Emet